tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1395047042854490295.post681263976590574321..comments2021-07-26T00:20:42.909-07:00Comments on bic control:: CTCDC Says "No": No Bicyclists Allowed on Committee, No Bike Boxes, No Removal of Bike-Sensitive SignalsBic Controlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09349975503960323293noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1395047042854490295.post-56802504810326911262010-02-01T11:44:08.889-08:002010-02-01T11:44:08.889-08:00Not that experimenting with bike boxes wouldn'...Not that experimenting with bike boxes wouldn't be a good thing to try in CA, but here in Portland, the jury's still out on how helpful they are/have been/could be. Of all the places around Portland where I encounter them, the only one that I use regularly is the one in the Rose Quarter Transit Center. It makes a lot of sense there because it allows cyclists to position themselves well ahead of waiting busses, and position themselves directly across from where the bike lane picks up across the intersection (the bike lane jogs to the right at this particular location).<br /><br />Otherwise, bike boxes don't seem to me to have made much difference, and I don't often see cyclists using them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04924735667190986564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1395047042854490295.post-25187297889910331222010-01-28T08:47:37.073-08:002010-01-28T08:47:37.073-08:00I wonder how much work it will be to get some sort...I wonder how much work it will be to get some sort of temporary legal authority to enforce bike boxes. I believe the "lack" of representation was from the common belief in common sense, that if it works most other places, it should follow that it works here. And thus, we all assumed it would be..a given. So, we learn. And unfortunately, proponents of other ideals were present. <br /><br />So, we have to ask, how can we get temporary legal authority to try a bike box in a few places to see if it indeed will work in California? <br /><br />I think that's the best way ahead. <br /><br />I was able to see Sharrows in action in San Francisco. I was amazed at how simple it works. In places where you can't put an adequate bike lane due to existing design, but yet in places where bicycle traffic is high enough ~ a sharrow should work. Sharrows are not the only answer, but one of them. Bic control, nice blog post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1395047042854490295.post-79492741803640227792010-01-27T11:56:48.090-08:002010-01-27T11:56:48.090-08:00Sharrows would be a step in the right direction. B...Sharrows would be a step in the right direction. But I don't know how much they would help.Emhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08102618915501429323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1395047042854490295.post-28206395907905121052010-01-26T09:38:13.863-08:002010-01-26T09:38:13.863-08:00Hi Randy,
How did I miss seeing you at the meetin...Hi Randy,<br /><br />How did I miss seeing you at the meeting? No bicyclists (other than the representatives from San Luis Obispo) spoke on behalf of bike boxes. Where were all the bike box advocates? <br /><br />I thought about standing up and saying that bike boxes are indeed popular with a lot of cyclists who want to see California imitate the Portland or Copenhagen model. But then it didn't seem like popularity would really sway the day because what the committee cared most about was the legal issue with bike boxes.<br /><br />The main reason the committee rejected the bike box proposal was that these treatments are apparently illegal or unenforceable in California at this point, given that cyclists are treated as having all of the rights and responsibilities as vehicle drivers. There seems to be no way to enforce vehicles staying behind one limit line, while cyclists get to move ahead to a different limit line. <br /><br />Long Beach has new(ish) bike boxes, and apparently vehicles intrude on these boxes all the time. However, no tickets have been issued for this violation (according to the Long Beach engineer who spoke at the meeting) and I'd guess it's because of this legal issue.<br /><br />So it seems there would need to be a change in the Vehicle Code to allow bicycles to be treated differently than vehicles for this purpose. Maybe that's where the advocacy should start.<br /><br />I also thought Jim was pretty convincing about sharrows, both in their being more appropriate for this intersection in San Luis Obispo and in their already being approved for use in California (and about to be approved for use on streets without onstreet parking). His message was, "let's experiment with the innovations we know are coming, rather than jumping ahead to something that hasn't been fully vetted" (major paraphrase).<br /><br />I'm a big fan of sharrows and want to see them particularly on Nobel between Regents and I-5. Areas of the center city where there's no room for a bike lane would also benefit greatly from them. The more experimentation that can be done with them the better, to convince our conservative San Diego traffic engineers that they're okay to try here too.Larry Hoguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05596168202991567228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1395047042854490295.post-26052084587041244282010-01-25T21:48:50.110-08:002010-01-25T21:48:50.110-08:00Wow! I can't believe everything was a no go! I...Wow! I can't believe everything was a no go! I think the bike box idea is so wonderful, and not as expensive as makeing sure every signal had the capability to pick up on a bike. And SLO just wanted to try it out. I'm really shocked, and disapointed.Emhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08102618915501429323noreply@blogger.com